[Distributed_systems] week 8-13 (or not?)

[Lukács Dániel]

Hi Márk,

I agree with most everything you said. The way I see it now, is that 
yes, all of these issued can be fixed, but the critical problem is 
meeting the deadlines, or as you said: "make classes to be prepared at 
least a week earlier".

We are short on time, and currently I don't see if we can catch up, 
mostly because of the lag in the communications. (For example, Péter was 
perfectly on time with the video, yet, even by now, the video received 
only one review. Will all the other labs be able to use this video as it 
is now?)

If we are to keep developing common materials, then either:

     * everyone has to dedicate extra time every week to discuss and 
revise the tasks and the materials (since it has to fit every lab's 
requirements) in a very short time frame. Then, the authors also have to 
allocate extra time to answer questions and do the revisions in a very 
short time frame.

     * or, we give up the deadlines, and authors are working on their 
own tempo, and later maintaning it to fit the emerging standards. On the 
labs, everyone is using whatever they can. This is easy to organize, and 
seems more realistic based on what we have right now. The trade-off is 
that we most likely won't see much benefits from this in this semester's 
labs.


Regarding the format: It's not that anyone's format is wrong (though it 
needs to fit every labs' needs). It's just this is something thats needs 
to us to do a lot more coordination with each other. And again, this 
takes time.


Bests,
Dániel


Ps.: I couldn't raise all of this on Friday meeting, just parts of it, 
two or three times. That was when Tamás mentioned that he thinks maybe 
someone will have to ask the faculty about using videos in the labs.


On 4/5/20 10:52 AM, Török Márk wrote:
> Hi Dani, and Other,
>
> If you have doubts about collaboration, why did not you bring this up during the weekly call?
> It is easily possible that others think different.
>
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> Collaboration: Collaboration is not easy! It takes time. Everybody is different,
> the catch up time differs. And don't forget, just one week and a half have gone.
> We are at the beginning. Though, it is very common that some people do not want to contribute unfortunately.
>
> Format: As you said, without following a common format, the collaboration is doomed to failure.
> Though, I have never been asked about the format. Who chose the format?
> This is another topic for the next weekly call.
>
> Videos: Videos are an additional resource of teaching that is very new at our university.
> Many people doubt about their efficiency and effectiveness, though this technique has been at other universities abroad for ages.
>
>
> I am adding other topics which I am very curious about:
> * Who wants to contribute and in which part?
> * Who does not want to contribute
> * How can we make classes to be prepared at least a week earlier.
>
> Guys, the current situation is far not easy and a lot of work ahead of us.
> If we split, the same work will be done many times. Not worth it!
>
> Keep up!
>
> Mark
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> 2020 Április 4, Szombat 21:26 CEST dátummal, Lukács Dániel <dlukacs at caesar.elte.hu> ezt írta:
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>> I think we should cancel our collaboration attempts in creating common
>> teaching materials this semester, and instead we should just keep doing
>> our own thing in the labs (except for conducting nagybeadandó and exams,
>> where it is mandatory).
>>
>>
>> My reasons:
>>
>> 1. Currently, there is very little discussion going on about the
>> contributed work items (incl. Péter's video), whether you can use them
>> or how would you change them to be able to use them. It's very hard to
>> create useful tools when you don't get any feedback from your users. And
>> there is no point in sharing stuff if the team members don't care enough
>> to review and use them.
>>
>> 2. The same goes for standard formats. Obviously, it's not really
>> possible to collaborate without following a common standard. Students
>> cannot work with a different format every week, and it's hard on the
>> teacher as well. Yet in two weeks almost no discussion happened about
>> common class and assignment format whatsoever. (Actually, the topic
>> seems to be deliberately avoided in lots of cases.) It's not discussed
>> whether it matches your needs, or what would you like to change, or
>> whether you have a better system.
>>
>> 3. Finally, Tamás also seemed to be in doubt during yesterday's meeting,
>> yet at 03-27 he was the originator of this idea of having videos to
>> increase interactive work during class. It may be a good idea to wait
>> until someone with authority makes up their mind on how things should
>> look like in this course. Without a clear goal, there is really no point
>> pushing and forcing people to do something.
>>
>>
>> I'm mostly interested in hearing Márk's and Péter's opinion about this
>> move, since they are already actively contributing useful ideas and
>> materials. (Thank you for that!)
>>
>> Either way, Robi's original schedule will keep us more or less in sync.
>>
>>
>> Dániel
>>
>>
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